This page is only if you are not sure why to change to electric driving at all. You are against it and read a lot on the internet that it is especially stupid to do to drive electric. So we also hear that solar is the new asbestos. And in Africa they send children into the mines for the batteries. Petrolheads, read on, be strong …
All about power loss in gearboxes is explained below.
If you find these text here somewhat confrontational, that’s our intention. Unfortunately, many people look away from what is going on. But would your grandchildren feel the same way in 70 years? Municipalities are introducing zero-emission zones to improve air quality in those areas and reduce CO2 emissions. If you ever visit a municipality that is going to introduce a zero-emission zone, you will encounter these zones. And stopped.
Why we want to bring this matter. In the Netherlands we have a lot of people on a small piece of land, which is also below sea level. With too many cows, pigs, chickens, highways, dirty industry, tulips and farmers who spray their land with poison. Therefore, this information can probably be explained from that angle. We see the need perhaps more clearly around the corner.
The “for petrolheads only page” let’s just call it that way (lol)
For those who think there is nothing wrong with polluting the earth. There was also an ice age and high water levels 2 million years ago, right? From the Netherlands we walked to England right? So whats the point.
On this page all about batteries, oxygen, sythetic fuels and other petrolheads blabla stories. But watch first the movie: EV or GAS:
6Kw electricity is spent for every liter of fuel to get from well to the fuel station around the corner.
Nice movie no? It’s weird that it takes so much electric power to make fuel for your car. And we don’t know? But if you look into the refining process, you will understand that it does need a lot of electric power (and burning gas) to do so. Refining is heating, pumping, filtering, distilling, purifying, heating and distilling again etcetera. This whole process is all electric driven. Roughly speaking, each litre fuel requires 6,000 watts of power to make. That’s the same electric power a vacuum cleaner uses in an entire hour. So if you buy 40 litres of fuel, this is the same electric power used as 40 hours of continuous hoovering, almost 2 days.
This is the base that should start you thinking. Actually, things happen that you do not see and cannot know about. All this pollution we can reduce by doing something about it, to talk about it for example.
It is important to recognise that generating electric power also produces pollution. But if you use the (same) electric power to pump up oil, or instead driving right away electric, you see why electric driving is so clever to do. For batteries the same story: you use them for 25 years, instead of burning them right away and need new batteries every week (you do with fuel). Read it all about oil refinery: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_refinery
The atmosphere in which we live is only 200 km high (125 miles), this distance you cycle in 5 hours. So thin layer of atmosphere is only above you, where we dump all the emissions day in day out, for 150 years, since the industrial revolution began.
WHAT TO BELIEVE
There is a lot of bla bla around on socials about the state of the Earth and whether we are polluting or not. Petrolheads, keep reading now. Be strong. This page is all about it.
In a nutshell, the rate of climate change is so high that nature cannot keep up. So from an ice age to todays speedy warming up has never been exhibited in the entire time the earth has existing. That is why the argument by petrolheads that it is just a natural process wrong. How do we know this?
“Science is not an opinion” quote Claudia Kemfert, feb2024.
Today we are seeing carbon dioxide levels 50% higher than the highest levels we have had in the past 800,000 years, according to Carlo Barbante en Federico Scoto, glacioloog. Thanks to the analysis of previously surfaced parts, it has already been established that concentrations of greenhouse gases, such as carbon dioxide and methane, have never exceeded the levels seen since the beginning of the industrial revolution, since 1865. In Antartica, after 10 years of drilling, a team of scientists brought up a core from 3 kilometers deep. That ice is at least 1.2 million years old. Between the ice and the rock bottom 3 kilometer below, there is an interlayer with sendiment, microorganisms, viruses and bacteria. They can teach us a lot about these bygone times.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/earth-ice-core-drilling-antarctic-b2676471.html
Can you trust data? After research by universities around the world since 1965, all new data is double-checked, peer-viewed and published worldwide. All these studies are ranked by the United Nations called the IPCC Panel.
https://www.ipcc.ch/report/sixth-assessment-report-cycle/
Petrolheads at governments
Do you see the yellow pick up picture? If you read on behalf of a Government or NGO, please go to menu Specs & Price later, we do have extra information for you to discuss in your organisation. Don’t wait for a OEM manufacturer for a strong electric 4×4 truck, that will take another 15 years for 120K per 4×4 EV car. We are happy to give a lecture on converting and go electric next week. You still have your strong 4×4 car, you can go anywhere, and you save so much pollution and money. Yes money to spare for your organisation.
It is rapidly going in the wrong direction
We dig now into “unknown” facts for you. We start with measurement results. Below from 1850 to 2020 peer-viewed temperatures: red warmer than average, blue colder than average:
Methane emissions research Copernicus Institute 2024, and below, consumption of coal worldwide https://www.copernicus.eu/en
Coal consumption worldwide in TWh:
How many more graphs do you want to see? Deep down you know it too …
Unknown data and information
Secret #1:
You read this above and saw this in the movie. One (1) litre fuel has already consumed 6 kW (= 6.000 Watts) of electric power to make it from the oilwell to petrolstation. (Gallon is 4,45 litre so 26.700 Watts = 26.7 kW) Think about this carefully. On 6.000 watts any electric car drives 35 km/22 miles. It makes little difference in pollution whether you drive on petrol or diesel oil. We use fuel for both.
Note: the evidence of this, refining costs/uses so much electric power, comes from the UK where a refinery is connected to a power station, which allowed Greenpeace to accurately calculate the power used on the amount of fuel made in that plant, measured in 2015. Meanwhile, this has increased by 15% in 2024.
Secret #2:
In every 4-stroke fuel engine, the combustion takes place in only 1 part of the 4 cycles. This explains the low yield of 35%, so 65% waste is lost in heat, flushing and compresion out of the potentional energy in fuel.
Secret #3:
A gearbox consumes a lot of energy, without you noticing it. Loss of 25% up to 35% because of wear & tear of the gears moving and bearings. 4×4 trucks has bigger loss than smaler cars that is obvious , up to 45%. (tested by Land Rover factory in 1996). So beware of an easy conversion, you obtain this with a shorter range or a more expensive battery that is also heavier and takes up more space.
Wellnown secret #4:
It will be forbidden to drive your fuel truck in more and more cities in the World. This change is speeding up getting the pollution out of crouwded cities.
Figures indicate that sectet #1 to #3 we are throwing away (for nothing) most of the available oil in inefficiency. These are data that the oil companies are reluctant to share with you. The fuel still has to burn in the engine and blow the polluting gases into the thin atmosphere, you cycle in 5 hours (200km/125miles)
Day after day, year after year, totally in-efficient …
The petrol lobby is trying to use all sorts of arguments that electric driving is very dirty that we don’t have enough lithium and that it is not at all possible for all cars to go electric to give the inveterate petrol drivers an anti lobby.
“All life is fragile. All that lives is dependent on other living organisms. If we focus on this absolute fact in all our thinking and acting and let ourselves be guided by a fundamental compassion for all that lives, it is un avoidable that pollution in all its manifestations (greenhouse gases, chemical waste, particulate matter), causing the destruction of nature, must be stopped at once. Yet because we have left it too late, a huge social and economic disruption is now inevitable.” Extinction Rebellion. We agree.
Sentiment is turning
If we ask anyone: how will we drive in 50 years, there is the unanimous answer: ELECTRIC. So the question is not, if we will drive electric, but when. This sentiment is called “transition” we read about everywere.
Converting an oil leaking car gives an added benefit
In general a Land Rover has a bad name in terms of maintenance and often breaks down. And always leaking oil on the ground. If your Rover is converted to electric, then you have no maintenance or oil leaking at all. Still an extra hopeful idea for a green future. Even Toyota, Nissan Patrol and Mercedes leak oil on the ground.
The Simpson’s drawing we couldn’t resist posting. Should you (as an investor) find the link to Land Rover one of “always breaking down and leaking oil everywhere”, you can drop this idea. Electric is never leaking again.
And not only for Land Rovers, but for all brands we sell EV sets …
Don’t you ever get tired, from blabla petrolhead talk?
“Yes, it’s incredibly depressing. I find it hard to go along … I am aware that writing about reality may be counterproductive. That it makes people close their eyes. But I just don’t put up with lying about it. I don’t put up with pretending it’s not long past five past twelve. Especially when the science is absolutely clear (IPCC) on that and you see climate change happening around you today. I don’t want to participate in the call to present things more positively than they are.” (Change Inc. spoke with Bénedicte Ficq before the Nov. 12, 2024 court ruling Shell & Tata Steel vs. Environmental Defense.)
Below: e-Rovers mind: “develop a product that doesn’t exist yet. Strike out on an unknown path. Just do it”.
NO GEARBOXES WHY?
Now we are going to explain why easy-bolting an electric motor onto a gearbox (which many convertion builders do) is not such a smart idea.
A gearbox is necessary with a fuel engine because only a small portion of the revolutions can be used for propulsion. That is why a different ratio must be chosen each time. But the gears that are not chosen all just rotate nicely eating power. So between 1,500 and up to 3,500 rpm maximum goes best (above and below there is simply not enough power). An electric motor doesn’t have that: ours has a straight strong line in power from 1 to 2,900 rpm. Go full from standstill. An internal combustion engine needs first the clutch slipping to start, or the oil bath transmission with an automatic. We do not have a clutch eather. We put some current on the windings and go.
So what does a gearbox basically do? Eating up your power made by your fuel engine. At the top you read how much power 1 liter of fuel has already cost before you start driving. And now a lot of that is already lost just to rev up.
A picture, a drawing and a movie to explain below for an important reason: we pay a lot of attention to it here. Did you know? Now you do.
The non-visible box of resistance
First picture is all moving parts inside a gearbox and transfer case, the splitterbox for front axle and rear axle. The second picture is the same, but you can see the outside when climbing under your truck. The third is a movie just explaining a single gearbox, so excluding the transfer case and splitter for front axle and rear axle (where the same gears are also rotating extra). You may now understand that this takes a huge cut in power between the engine and your wheels on the road. Even on a new truck, this loss of power will be a minimum of 25%. Those new cars have the three gear boxes in a four-wheel drive car as well.
Drawing: Top right is the shaft to the fuel engine. Bottom left and right are the shafts to the differentials (front and rear) via an intermediate shaft to the wheels.
1st and 2nd pictures are Land Rover, 3rd Jordan (movie), below older Jeep: you see from line engine/gearbox/clutch, going out of line to go high/lowgears box and beside engine to the front- and rear axel including both differentials in 5th. picture.
You can now imagine with all these gears, bearings and (slowered extra by oil), what a huge resistance there is in the driveline. So if you put an electro motor to replace the internal combustion engine only, that poor electro motor will always have to overcome all those heavy resistances with a lot of loss. Only a small part, about half, will then reach the wheels.
With us, the SRM-electro motor is directly in line with the wheel, in the middle of the new lightweight axle(s). A huge difference you can also see now.
Why did our team chose this difficult design line? We succeeded. You can buy it.
Resistance
For your sense and perception of this, the same similar thing happens as hanging 3 buckets on a rope behind your sailboat (or your friends). Or put the skibox on your roof in case of headwind and leaving it on your car all year. Or put an enclosed high trailer behind your car. All year. And all fuel engines need desperately a gearbox, because no power from the start. An electric engine has a lot of power from the start, so no gearboxes needed. No non-visible box of resistance needed with our electric convertion set. Sorry Petrolheads. And no fumes.
We hope that with this explanation you can understand why we wanted a design from the start, without all those energy-consuming additions. It is the hardest way of designing within the legal rules without having to approve and test a new chassis whether the suspension. At our place, the old axles go off and the new ones on. Job done. The same shock absorbers, brakes, linkages and rims and tires goes on, charge and drive. A two day job.
Financially, do not skip this, but by keeping all gears in the powertrain (box of resistance), you do have to compensate with a bigger and heavier battery to be able to drive the same distance as we do (400km/250mile/range).
We did explain now that a simple removal of the fuel engine and screwing an electro engine in its place is also not the solution for the future. It is a hobby-plus solution from yesterday. We have tried to explain this from different angles and approaches.
NOTE: We also indicate that the new off-road cars that are sold tomorrow will also be eligible for our conversion later on. Even the mild-hybrids, which can only drive 60km/38miles electrically now, will also come up to us in a few years. Consider this if you want to partner with us financially.
HYDROGEN (H2)
Petrolheads like to keep alive the dream of driving on sythetic fuel or hydrogen. Alternative energy storage like green hydrogen are clean on the road but cost to produce & reliability to power is far behind with the current electic & battery technology. If we engineering this to the max in the next 20 years (make H2, store and get it back to electricity), we will never reach below 50% loss of energy. In the world where we already have a shortage of (electric-) power, this is not an option. This makes the Battery EV driving already the best option: practical, affordable and with plenty of range for daily use. Especially for a 4×4 car that emits many times more than a small car. How interesting to convert such a car to electric now?
All our convertions are prepared and plug and play for hydrogen storage (read below) because of our back-bone-engineering. We have taken this into account in the development period. We work closely together with other hydrogen companies and TU universities in this field. Our “backbone design” ranges from 280 to 700 Volts to connect.
Oxygen might become interesting in 25 years, if, for example, we set up so much solar in deserts that we get a surplus of electric power (check h2storage). Nuclear power is also part of this and even extra offshore wind turbines. Only then oxygen might be a solution. But we are already taking it into account now, allowing every e-Rover conversion to switch to hydrogen tanks without problems. Then your car can enter a third life. https://www.h2storage.nl/home/
ENERGY COMPARISON “FUELS”
You will not read this in the press or on socials. There is always a back side to an idea:
Store 100% electricity (Kw) into a battery and get 93% out to the road (to drive, effectively measured). 7% loss in transition.
Hydrogen you put in 100% electricity (Kw) and get only 48% out to the road (to drive, effectively measured). 52% loss in transition.
Synthetic fuel you put in 100% electricity (Kw) and get only 40% out to the road (to drive, effectively measured). 60% loss in transition. A fun miscalculation is that in making this fuel, co2 or carbon is used from the air. This is counted as profit. But after combustion in the engine, this comes back 1 to 1, plus the combustion in itself. Every combustion releases pollutants.
Fuel (diesel, gasoline or gpl/gas) you put 100% in and 23% comes out on the road. (to drive, effectively measured). With the highest amount of emissions of all. 77% loss in transition. Diesel has extra the small particles added to it.Algae naturally make oil in their cells that can be converted to fuel.
Biofuel
Then bio-algae oil? The idea of driving, sailing or flying on algae oil is not new. Oil company ExxonMobil rigged a veritable algae plan and for years invested millions in the alternative fuel. The program has since been discontinued. Algae requires a lot of light and nutrients to grow, which makes the production process expensive. It cannot compete with petroleum, which has a higher energy density and a lower price. In addition, the combustion involves the same, creating foul exhaust fumes. While it takes more energy to make algae than petroleum. A double-no, therefore. 85% loss in transition.
Hydrogen?
We collaborated and co-initiated the Race the Green project for Paris-Dakar project in 2019. To race in 2021. We gained interesting expertise. Project stopped 2022. Our SRM electric engine was used for this, which is the reason for being there. (the blue thing in the back, evo5).
However, whether hydrogen is the holy grail for the entire energy transition? Maybe it is and maybe it isn’t. But if deployed where it has real value, it can certainly help us make the world a lot more sustainable.
But remember: Hydrogen you put in 100% electricity (Kw) and get only 48% out to the road (to drive, effectively measured). 52% loss in transition. Allways.
There will always be a big energy loss from first having to make hydrogen with a lot of (electric-) power, and then via tank storage losses, feeding this hydrogen back to a stack, which is going to bring the hydrogen back to (electric-) power. The same (electric-) power you started out with to make hydrogen and where now, after that whole process, you only have 48% left over. You started out with 100% (electric-) power. You could have put that same amound of electric power into the grid or put it into a battery. In the grid 97% ends up in an electrical device and in the battery 94%.
We follow closely the hydrogen stack-improvements worldwide since 2017, as the Dutch Technical University: https://www.forze-delft.nl
OK, you’re through. but what does e-rovers do differently?
e-Rovers responds to the growing demand for electric mobility while offering an alternative to purchasing new EVs by making the transition affordable and accessible.
What sets e-Rovers apart is their commitment to a circular economy. They prevent usable vehicles from ending up on the scrap yard, while helping to reduce carbon emissions at the same time. The company goes beyond conversions: they look for ways to sustainably recycle old components such as engines and transmissions, further minimizing their environmental impact.
This Land Rover Discovery is ELECTRIC now, no leaks, happy, beer.
e-Rovers strives to make an impact financially, environmentally and socially, with a clear vision for the future. Below down is e-Rovers team:
Which information is correct and which are blabla?
We give here below a few sites below that correctly state what is going on. For a true petrolhead who does not believe the above (electric car blabla) look around and search further. Look especially on sites that are reliable and not back in your familiar petrolhead corners of the internet. Sorry to say.
Why “drill, baby, drill” is going to fail. (Greenpeace jan25)
The most powerful climate denier is back in the White House. But there is hope! Not even Trump can save the oil industry from these 4 developments:
1. There are currently 86 climate cases pending against oil companies worldwide.
2. Clean energy is now cheaper than fossil fuels.
3. Biden has allocated $74 billion for climate initiatives, which Trump cannot reverse.
4. People are coming together to support each other in climate disasters and demand change.
Petrolheads: the world can no longer handle the pollution. Where in the past it took 2 million years to have a different weather pattern, we have managed the same (!) in 125 years. Therein lies the difference.
Check sites below for checled information: no blabla
https://www.mdr.de/nachrichten/deutschland/politik/kemfert-e-fuels-klima-100.html
https://fullycharged.show/episodes/e-fuels-wont-work-this-is-why/
Should you, as a petrolhead, start to doubt your idea that it is all just left-wing talk, we will end this striking page with counterpoints:
“What can be done already today. Look your grandchildren in the eye and remember that you are never too old, to change your mind (lernen) : there is no 2nd planet”. All of us need to make some changes.
https://www.ipcc.ch/report/sixth-assessment-report-cycle/ IPCC report march 2023
https://www.iea.org/reports/international-shipping the complete storyhttps://www.iea.org/ https://www.iea.org/data-and-statistics
https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/ultra-low-emission-zone/ulez-payments City of LONDON: the ULEZ charge: forbidden to go in city not clean, named Ultra Low Emission Zone (ULEZ), will be around the world in a few years.
https://ellenmacarthurfoundation.org/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claudia_Kemfert
https://theicct.org/sites/default/files/publications/Global-LCA-passenger-cars-jul2021_0.pdf
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-43714029 about sea ships bringing goods around the world without legislation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=er9yHLH14ho
EXPLANATION TERMS
EV (BEV) = (Battery) Electric Vehicle.
Hybrid = Vehicle that is powered by an fuel engine ICE and another source of power such as a electric engine/motor and battery or H2.
H2 = Hydrogen, another storage of energy, car runs electric (EV).
ICE = Internal Combustion Engine, burning fuel, (bio-) diesel, LPG/GPL gas, LNG, blue diesel etc. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal_combustion_engine
OEM = Original Equipment Manufacturer. (VW, Toyota, Land Rover etc)
JLR = Jaguar Land Rover, TATA India owned https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaguar_Land_Rover
DeepL.com we used for translations, among friends and family. If it rattles a bit, we work on this issue… We use UK and not USA language. tTe whole e-Rovers team is Dutch but we write this site in english.
Because 85% of those interested live outside the Netherlands and drive their 4×4 daily.
